Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Video: Did Sen. Reid hold an Astroturf rally outside his Clean Energy Summit?

You be the judge.



You can read more about Sen. Reid attacking health care protests as being as "phony" as Astroturf at Politics Daily.

No word yet if Sen. Reid will condemn any of the ralliers outside of his Clean Energy Summit. Or is it only "Astroturfing" if you disagree with Sen. Reid?

If I hear anything from the Senator or his office, I'll be sure to let you know.

Now you might ask, what's wrong with being organized and having signs and water at a rally?

Nothing, I think that just indicates good planning. People don't just find out about events; someone has to tell them. Paying people to "work for health care reform" falls into a different category, but I don't have any proof of that in this case.

But this video isn't about what I think or what you think. It's about what Sen. Reid said last week, what happened yesterday and Sen. Reid's selective attacks.

For even more on Astroturfing check out Caleb Howe's What's faker than astroturf?

8 comments:

RSNelsen said...

Nice ,,,,, very informative, not.

As I said on your other Video I was there. I received e-mails from Move On and O of A asking me to attend. There were people there from NEA, Sierra Club, AFL CIO and others. The water and donuts were from the Sierra Club and they were yummy.

You walked up and down the sidewalk and more than a dozen people talked to you and you asked everyone why they were there and the man in your video answered truthfully why he was there and you chose to only include him in your video.

I see on your page that the bible is your favorite book. In your favorite book it has 10 rules to follow. I think one is about the truth. Let's have a debate with the truth. To quote a great republican former governor let's "stop making stuff up".

Victor Joecks said...

Thank you RSNelson for making my point.

This is what Reid said - the protests were generated by "talk show hosts, Internet rumor mongers and insurance rackets."

Substitute "the NEA, Move on, O of A, Sierra Club, AFL CIO and others" and you can see the double standard I'm pointing out. And again the video is about what Reid said, not about what you or I think.

Also what is O of A? Organizing for America?

If you think I'm lying about something, please feel free to point it out specificly.

RSNelsen said...

Lying by omission, misleading with an edit. You chose only to show the one man that actually worked for Senator Reid therefore inferring that he set up the demonstration which he did not.

Who gives money to the NEA. Who donates to Move On? The Sierra Club? My answer would hundreds of thousands of everyday people. People with viewpoints but everyday people.


And look the AFL-CIO and The Sierra Club side by side with the same goal, green jobs. That's what our new President can do for America, bring people together.

Victor Joecks said...

The video doesn't imply that Reid set up the rally. If I had wanted to imply that I would not have predominantly mentioned unions and focused on the few signs that weren't premade and supported Reid.

The video implies that the rally was an "Astroturf" rally by the definition Reid gave last week. And having a campaign staff member there helps make that point and shows some level of knowledge or involvement.

You again making my point with this line -- "Who gives money to the NEA. Who donates to Move On? The Sierra Club? My answer would hundreds of thousands of everyday people. People with viewpoints but everyday people."

Who listens to talk show hosts and reads internet blogs? My answer would be hundreds of thousands of everyday people. People with viewpoints but everyday people.

But those are the people Reid said were as "phony" as Astroturf. Yet he won't condemn protests that are organized by similiar mechanisms but have a political viewpoint he agrees with.

Disagreeing with Reid on this doesn't mean you don't support him on other things, but just that his attack on the health care protests as "phony" and his silence on this rally is at best a double standard.

RSNelsen said...

None of the organizations at the rally in support of green jobs were founded by or funded by lobbyists or former congressman.

Who is FreedomWorks?Who is at the heart of the protests at healthcare town halls?

Answer Dick Army.

Victor Joecks said...

But I thought Sen. Reid said the health care rallies were generated by "talk show hosts, Internet rumor mongers and insurance rackets."

A history of the tea parties - http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/

RSNelsen said...
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RSNelsen said...

insurance rackets = Dick Armey

I see that Mr. Armey has resigned from his law firm after being exposed by Rachel Maddow.

But don't worry he will have more time for astroturf.